PARTICIPANT SEVEN

 - Follows first-class link demo; "links are pages as well"
 - Go through the markup; describes link as "the thing in the middle" (DB many/many relationships)
 - Spots during editing Demo.3 (transcluding page) that what's actually being eded is "the template" (transcluded page); P corrects self that shouldn't call it a template (WP experience showing)
 - Of push-through: "but it hasn't changed that page; it's changed the thing that's embedded"
 - Of non-editability of embedded generic link: "Ah boo. Ok"; of its return if word still there: "true, yeah, true"

4:16 SHELF
 - Familiar with disambig pages
P: ...I'm more used to Wikipedia here, and I would be looking for a "what links here"...um, button, because I want to see what's linking to a disambiguation page.
 - Spots relations table; wonders if "can find something down here that's going to link to...this...page...er..."
 - Spots that latter half are outgoing links; and that there's cross-highlighting from main body of page when hovering to link in table; "and it does it the other way round as well, right, lovely"
 - Looks at river (via top half of relations table) "because I think that links to the disambiguation page"
 - edits Shelf; "I should probably have opened this in a new tab" because wants to have a read first and work out the type of shelf
 - Copies text "Shelf, West Yorkshire" from Shelf and goes back to river page
 - Search-in-page doesn't work inside text-boxes
P: Ok I'm going to have to look for it, somewhere, in, here...
 - Finds fairly quickly and pastes new destination
P: Bit worried about the space in it, because it looks like everything else has got spaces to kind of delimit each attribute inside this link. But. Um. Hopefully it can handle that. "Type,[=]Link, Shelf". Er. I'm wondering whether I need to change that as well. I think I will for good measure. Can't hurt, can it?
 - Looks at attributes box
P: Attributes? Well, normally I'd be putting some sort of change comment in here, but...
 - I points out that no change comment facility in this wiki
 - Preview. "Ah, it's gone down here. Oh dear. Fail." <8:49>
 - Link text now "West Yorkshire type=Link Shelf, West Yorkshire"
P: Right, I'm going to try two things. First I'm going to try changing that type= back to what it was; seeing what that does.
P: No, that's no good. Right, now I think it must be because it must need some sort of...um...maybe some quotes or something; I really need another example---maybe I can find another example of this. Er. I'm worried about the space in the middle of 'Shelf, West Yorkshire'.
P: Well gosh I'm not---I'm confused about---I'm going to leave that, because I don't know what to do with it. I'm going to leave the type.
P: Oh, ok, well it doesn't look quite so bad. And...I'm looking at the link---the URL that it will go to, and it /looks/ promising but it's red. Which is---means it must not exist.
 - some confused exclaimations
P: I'm really not too sure about this thing, here, but I'm gonna...see what this does. I'm going to put...Shelf, West Yorkshire in the type= field now.
P: Oh hello! No, no that's really not what I wanted at all it's now appeared...in the text /and the quotes/ have appeared in the main text as well. Oh dear. This is not going too well.
P: Now...let's go back to how it was. Why is---the link looks right. Let me click on it, and see what happens. And why is it red?
 - pause
I: What did you copy?
P: I've copied the text. But I would assume that the text was the name of the article. Ah! It's not! I've gone wrong. Now if I go and actually /look/ at Shelf West Yorkshire...the name of the article wasn't what I was expecting. <I: Yep.> It's er, in sort-of CamelCase <I: mmhmm> ...all strung together in one.
 - Back to editing, puts that in for to=
 - Twigs that text at the end is what's going to appear in the page. "I've got it---I've got it now, so I'm going to leave that as 'shelf'...that's fine---aha! And that looks much more promising."
 - Browser confuses mildly by showing URL in doublequotes in status bar
 - Test by clicking on link (in preview), and it works: "it's gone to the right page now so I'm happy with that; so I'm going to go back and save"
 - Does a double-check on saved page, sees it in the relations "and it looks like an outgoing link, which is nice"
P: And, if I refresh the disambiguation page, it should have disappeared...from the list of relations, and it has, excellent.
 - Moves on to albatross
 - Large document, so searches in view
P: Er, there's no "edit section" button, so I'm going to have to edit the whole page.
 - Makes note of section title first; edits
P: Range and habitat <the title>, good lord. Right. There must be a way to search in here.
 - Browser refuses
P: Right. I'm going to have to /find/ it.
I: Are you?
P: *thinks* Er. Aren't I?
P: Well, I need to change it so it's not a disambiguation page any more. <I: Yup>
P: ...Er...Now...how else would I do this if I couldn't---didn't have to...find it in the...in the text...
I: Because I assume you're put off by---
P: I'm put---I'm put---I well I---it's a large paragraph, I've got no search facility here that I'm aware of, which is...not good. Um, I want to---I could /see/ it, before, in fact I can do a preview so that I've got both of them. Because I'm stubborn and determined here.
P: Um...um...and I can see it's sort of about half-way through <the section>
P: Erm...you're suggesting to me that...there's an---ah, hello!---that there's another way to do this. But I'm not sure what that would be. Right, I found it. Excellent, and I'm just going to leave it highlighted. Right, now, what have I got to disambiguate?
 - Reads some context, looks at disambiguation page for "what options we've got"
 - Spots continental and matches up
P: So, becuase I now know that the page name...is not the same as the actual body of the text, I'm going to go and...copy the /actual/ page name. And I'm going to use that.
 - Replaces highlighted to= value with page name; leaves text as 'shelf'
 - Preview, checks that link points to right place via browser status bar, saves
 - Of slowness: "I'm slightly surprised, given that I've only changed one link"
 - Comment on lack of cleverness of noticing which have changed
 - Reloads Shelf to check that again
 - Prompt for other way. P brings up bidirectionality. After some time "and there's a link in the middle..." <I: mmm> "...maybe I could have edited the link in the middle. In hindsight. Didn't occur to me at the time. Erm. That might have worked."
I: Yep, it would've.
P: But how would I---how do I /get/ to the link in the middle? Becuase I can't click on it from here it's not going to take me to the link. Oh! Maybe I can use the table at---erm, I'm looking at the relations table.
 - Clicks on the word Link
 - Reads with confusion
P: Er...this is...I'm not seeing any page names in here though. Which is confusing. <I: That's the---> I was hoping to see some page names. Like the source---the source I was expecting to be a page.
I: You have found the page about Link as a type.
P: Oh dear.
 - back to relations table
P: Er, no, that's...that's the article. Via...via? *pause* Well this is the name...well ok let's try this. Oh hello! That looks better right, I've clicked on the third item in the table. <the via column> _Now_ I can see the source and target.
P: Yes. I could've---I could've edited this, and I could've edited theee target, and then...*trails off* yep.

19:36 VILLAINS
 - Remembers two similar pages from previous experiment
 - Looks at both articles briefly, notes that each character has a main heading in each
 - Looks at source "and see if there's any sort of...templates or anything going on, because that might be a way to...reuse, erm, the jaws text. Because I don't really want to edit two things, and add the same information in."
 - Notes that it's there as regular text
P: Now I wouldn't do this in wikipedia, but I'm wondering whether I could do this here. Is to create a new page, called Jaws, <I: Mmmhmm> put all this text in it, it's not quite the same...I can see another subheading "films" that's in one page and not the other...
 - Is distracted by finding teeth, changes to metallic
 - Back onto "sounds like we want to re-use some information"
P: It looks like...yeah, a lot of this text is the same, I'm not...without reading /all/ of it I can't quite tell how much. But, I'm going to be bold, and I can see that---
 - Lights go off in room, doesn't distract much
 - Spots that 1st page has more info than 2nd
 - Plans to 'be bold' and "have a go at taking all the information from SWLM about Jaws and putting it in an article of its own"
 - And then transclude (uses term, rather than template, this time) that into both
P: I'm looking for a new page button...and I don't see one.
 - Edits the URL "because that's how some other wikis work"
 - Cuts Jaws section from SWLM, pastes to Jaws page
P: Um...doesn't really make sense to have the heading there. I'm going to leave the heading on the original page.
 - Puts heading back where it was, puts "include info" TODO underneath as reminder.
 - Saves new Jaws page, looks it over
P: Ah, now, this would be quite a nice thing to have. As opposed to having heading <level=>1, 2, 3, it'd be nice just to have heading, heading, heading and nest them, however you want. And /then/, this would be quite cool, in /here/ <Jaws page> they'd be heading 1s, in /here/ <SWLM> they'd be heading 2s because <under a Jaws heading already>. That would be quite cool.
 - But leave as heading 2s for this as they'll look right in the target pages.
P: Now this is going to be fun. I've got to try and get this new page in here.
P: So. Erm...I saw some links around...before...ooh! I had an idea, I could use that thing you told me about linking /all/ the words "Jaws".
P: Mmm, do I want to do that? No I don't want to do that do I. Let me think.
 - Goes looking at normal links in page, then off to homepage to look at demo.3 and 4 (transclusion demo)
 - Correctly re-determines that relation 'Demo.3 Transclusion Demo.4' "sounds like 4's inside 3".
 - Happy that found and understand example; edit SWLM
 - target=Jaws
P: Ah...well, I don't want to specify what the text of that page is; I want it to be as it is now. Errrm...I'm going to try that <empty text> and hope it doesn't delete it all.
 - Of id: "can I, ignore these things?", tell to remove, "I wasn't sure what to do about those"
 - [link to=Jaws type=Transclusion], preview, directed to save instead
 - Explain that leaving the ID there would have confused it---thought same link
 - Information appears! Some formatting does not (paragraphing, one of the headings /from the middle/). Exciting bug.
 - Assuming that that functioned as intended, as participant did right thing
P: Well, that's good, that worked. I'm please with that. And I'm going to do the same thing...on Moonraker now. And I'm going to copy...copy that transclusion, that I just used---ooh. I wonder whether the text is going to be enormous in here now.
 - Edits SWLM
P: Oh good lord. Yes. See, uh...is that really such---I can see it could be useful to edit in place...just as a convenience, but here I'm now seeing a massive transclusion with the /entire/ text of Jaws in it. <I: Mmmhmm> Umm. And I'm kind of wishing I'd have copied and pasted that, that sort-of /raw link/ that I had before.
P: And I'm just going to cheat here, and I'm just going to copy the first part of this link...and I'm going to edit Moonraker...
 - Removes "pretty much the same information"
 - Pastes in link, "and I know to get rid of the aid and the id on the front". "So the link looks sane as the previous one I did."
 - Saves
P: Excellent, so that worked too. So now I need to add metallic...metallic <I:mmhmm>
 - Finds teeth and adds metallic in Jaws
 - Reloads other two (some browser stupidity apparently), searches in page for metallic
P: Yes, it's there, excellent.
 - Checks second, there too
I: You noticed at the start that they were slightly different...
P: I did. And I took the one that seemed longer.
 - Would have merged, "and I might have used a diff tool or something to do that probably" on real WP

32:05 MULTIPLE UNITS
 - Spots Unicode text in Russian page
 - Edit address bar for new page "because I couldn't find a new page button"
 - Heading for each country, looks at source of one train to see how and copies the heading tag
 - Searches (by eye) for suitable text; "there's probably some in the introduction of both...pages"
P: Now, normally when I'm doing summary...um, paragraphs they wouldn't be identical to...the paragraphs from the page. So I /could/ use transclusion here, because I'm copy and pasting, but, I'd normally try and keep the text more succinct in, the summary pages, in which case because the text is different I can't use transclusion.
 - In real world would "read all this", "condense what I thought was the most important", "which means I can't re-use the text".
 - In this case, just copypasting
 - Does same for both
P: Um, it would be nice to link to these articles, I'm going to save first, I'm going to save first and just see, um, just get that going, get something up there. Lovely.
P: Now. It would be quite nice...well, OK, I'll link that word. I was just thinking it might be quite nice to link the headings in a way as well.
 - Lights return and distract slightly again
P: I could link the headings...but...er...well that could get interesting, because it's already in a tag. A heading tag. I'm I'm I'm not going to do that to start with, 'cause that's a bit...daunting.
 - Takes page names
 - Finds example of a link from Shelf, specifically river etherow "becuase I can remember that I used a link, and it didn't have the same text on it"
P: And I have a vague idea how that works, but it's much easier if I just go and...re-use it.
 - Copies link
 - Pastes it, modifies to= and text, removes aid and id
P: So that's linked...I'm, I'm quite confident that's going to work
 - Does Elektrichka in same edit
P: I wonder if it can be really clever, and work out that the text should be the same as the article. I want to try that.
 - Tries preview, decides to save because "preview didn't do anything" (it was unseen below the reference section)
 - Ireland "looks good", and is in relations table "which is good"
P: Eletrichka's completely gone, though, so my...my little experiment with that's gone wrong. Erm. Now I assume that it's just becuase I haven't typed any text it assumes that it wants a link with no text. <I: Yeah>  Which...is not...
I: It did show up in the relations table.
P: ...particularly useful. Did it? I didn't notice that, no.
P: Erm, yeah. That's...probably not...something that you'd normally want.
 - Puts some body text in, preview, save, works
P: Er, and, because they're...backwards links as well...hooray! I can refresh the Elektrichka and Multiple Units of Ireland and I can see them coming in as well. So it's a bit like What Links Here...in Wikipedia. But...on the same page.
 - Clarify that if someone needs to update summaries, wouldn't transclude, different text

39:43 BELGIUM
 - "Ah!" and "yes" at seeing attribute table and it being like infobox
P: Now I remember when I thought that was a summary box to type what I've changed in. I saw some attribute---it said attributes above it. So I'm going to have a look at the source...and see if I can find that attributes box.
P: Ah! There's an attributes box. ... But it's not just any box, it's still a table. ... And there's "Other" at the bottom as well.
P: So attributes look like they're sort-of, real...things, as well.
 - Asks to restate what being added (EU accession date)
P: Ah, hello, I can see EUAccession is actually listed, and it's blank. <I: Mmmhmm> Which is good.
 - Restate date; starts typing as said ("25th March 1957")
P: Well, now, date formats, that could be fun couldn't it. I've got Date as a link. <I: Mmmhmm> Pff well, I'm going to open that in a new tab and see what it says. Ah! Excellent, it's going to tell me what format I need. <I: Mmmhmm>
 - Corrects date value to right format
P: Well this is interesting; I don't know where this...table's come from. And there's some...attributes down here that have values but no...um...name, or...type. Which is...kind of fun. ... Er, but never mind.
 - They're the repeated multiple values of a key
 - Saves
P: So it's nice to tell me what format it is but, this is odd because it looks like a...just another...page.
I: Yes, it's a node.
P: But...well that's lovely, but what if I wanted to talk about dates?
I: Well you probably wouldn't use the same page title for the type of date as---
 - Ok, would have been something else to avoid conflict
P: Ok, so would be like in a different space or something
 - Spots attribute now in page display
P: Oh look, and I can even click on that.
I: It's the page about that day.
P: Wow. Excellent.
 - Notes that it's blue when it shouldn't exist, and that it should be red
 - Asks if wanted to explore, P "wondered what those empty countries were" (multivalues)
 - Goes to preview "well, can I preview this as well, so I can see what it looks like for real?", spots partial lossage (types), I points out that view is how it comes out
 - Realises of the multivalues: "it's a list of them"
P: Alright, I think it was just I got slightly confused. Probably just, a bit more formatting and I would have got that.
 - Restates to self that it's three values
P: How would I add another one if I wanted to add another one?
I: Well, what would you try?
P: Bleurgh, well it would be nice if I had a little add button, wouldn't it. <I: Hmm> Which I haven't. ... I can't click on that. <the predicate>
 - Looks to see "what's Language tell me" (it's a type, doesn't exist)
P: Wurgh, you know I could comma-seperate things, but...but...doesn't...it's not.
I: Ok. Right. Ok.
P: No, I don't know how to add another language. ... Erm, /Other/. ... Well, er, how about that? *typing* Can I /merge/ them together? I don't suppose I can, but I can try.
 - Adds Language=Japanese, preview "not looking promising" (mostly because it's broken), save
P: Oh hello! Japanese! That's lovely, now, if I edit it is it going to give me four boxes? ... Is it going to merge them together?
P: Yeahhh, look at that, and it's put it at the top. I...goodness knows if you wanted to order these. <I: You can't.> You can't.
 - Restates to self that "had to add another thing down here and it merges it in", "ok excellent"
 - I prompts about interested in why some showing up in table, some in Other?
P: Er ... ... yeah they don't...these other ones aren't appearing in the...in the um...
 - I prompts that the predicate (OfficialLanguage) is in fact clickable
P: I can click on OfficialLanguage.
I: It is a link.
P: Errr...so this is not a real page, this is some sort of <I: It's a page> ---well, yeah, but it's not a regular page---
I: It's not an encyclopedic article, no
P: ---yeah. It's a, special, thing.
 - Reads "attributes domain country range language"
P: Right, I know what domain and range mean. Um, range is the...values that it can take and country's the sort of thing it's describing. So... ...OfficialLanguage... ...belong to countries.
P: Wow. [You can] click on domain as well? <I: Yeah>
I: Oh, I probably should have documented that one. Oops. <no exist>
P: Oh it does actually---these <?> work. Well...this is confusing, slightly.
I: Ok, well, note that Belgium has a type.
P: Oh! Oh Belgium is a Country! So we've kind of given it, um, like a category here. <I: Hmm> In my...parlance. <I: Right> Um.
P: Right. So we've told it Belgium's a Country and /by that/ it's managed to work out that what, should, be going in the infobox. Or what the default things are in the infobox. <I: Mmm>
P: Now kind of what I /might/ have expected is that I'm looking at the Country node...is to see...what the default <I: instances of type country?> things are in that Country are.
 - (no, not instances, props, then)
P: And I'm not seeing anything. ... Cause this is almost like a template for what would go in your infobox for a country.
I: So on the Country page you'd expect to see the things which have a domain of Country?
P: I'd expect to see a list of these attributes. <I: Ok.> I'd have thought. 'Cause there must be some documentation for it somewhere. <I: Ok.> They must be linked, because everything's linked, so where's it linked from? ... You showed me that---
I: Sorry, where's what linked from?
P: Well, you've said that all of these things---oh OK well maybe it's oh, ah, right, hang on. Right so you've said that these things are linked to Country. And you've shown me the page with the link.
I: Those things <attributes> are pulled out because, er, the thing you're editing is of type Country---
P: But what I can't see is that.../all/ of the things that... <I: No> are linked to Country.
I: The only place you can see that at the moment is the Belgium node because it is of---it's the thing which is of type Country.
P: Yeah.
 - So would want:
P: I'd want to see the Country, and the Country would say "these are all the things than can...attributes that can apply to a Country.
 - Running low on time
P: Yeah some of this is quite...quite difficult.

48:22 LONDON UNDERGROUND
 - Looks over the page, "History [section] sounds good"
 - "It's nice to keep things chronological", so finds good point to insert text
 - I points out that this is a fairly general fact (oldest in world)
 - P changes mind and puts it at the top, as prose.
P: I don't need to preview that, I don't think.
 - save
P: Well that's...relatively easy, isn't it?
 - Prompt that belongs on TiL page too
 - New tab, pastes and edits URL guessing that it's called TransportInLondon
P: Yes, it did! <work>
 - Sees summary about LU with link to main article immediately
P: I'm curious as to whether that's a template.
I: No it's not.
 - Edit, confirm not template
 - Copy-paste "my little fact" sentence
I: So you've copy-pasted that.
P: *sigh* Well, er, now, see, you can't...give that it's own article...cause it's a single statement. Oh, I suppose I could look at whether there's anything else that's been copy and pasted, oh yes there's some stuff copy and pasted here, right. I've been a bit quick here, haven't I.
 - Looks over text, it is different
P: Yeah, and again, the summary...summary pages I don't think really the text really ought to be the same as the article, so... <I: Right> So I think that's fine.

52:27 CAKE
 - Immediately after task description:
P: Oh yeah. Well, why don't I try something that I haven't tried that you did show me, which is...having articles that just automatically link themselves where the word lives, what would be quite fun wouldn't it. Erm.
 - P was going to create "sweetening agent", "'cause that's a very sort of scientific thing isn't it"
 - I saves dead-end (if only for time) by pointing out that generic links probably won't work on multiple words
P: Oh, boo! Boo.
 - Changes to gluten
 - Creates a Gluten page (about how yummy it is)
P: Now...I've got to do one of those crazy um...links that apply themselves automatically, so I'm going to go back to the Homepage...
 - Views generic link demo (slight distraction as tape recorder runs out)
P: So, I want one of these...
 - edits Demo.GenericLink
P: Right, I'm going to craftily---ah. Argh. Now, what I /was/ going to do is I was hoping I was going to get a box with all the source---all of these attributes in...some text, <I: ahh> I was going to copy all the text, I was going to create a new link, and whack that text in there.
P: But I can't, because it's all in <I: table> ---done it all in a table so I can't just copy and paste the whole thing.
I: Right. That's a very good point.
 - Point out that can at least still copy awkward value bit (CONTAINS?)
P: Well yeah but how I need to get---I need to create a new page that's a link.
P: So, er...
I: Make up a name.
P: So this is GlutenLink. GlutenLink, lovely.
 - Creating
P: I can /create/ it, but I want it to be a link, no a---ah, now attributes type=...something or another.
 - Starts to copy attributes over from GenericLink
 - Previews after just type=Link "ah, ok, that did something"
P: Errr...oh! And I've got my boxes. Lovely.
P: So I can have my lovely magical word.
P: Erm, I'm /also/ wondering about stuff like case insentivity here.
I: It /is/ case insensitive. But it's only got to be a single token.
 - Thinks about target for a half-beat, "target's going to be gluten...the page I just created"
P: sourceQuery...and, I don't need one of those. <maybe read down to targQ?>
P: I'm just going back and forth between the example link, that already exists, and my one.
P: Now that [example link]'s got some text on it. ... Which is interesting. Why would you put text on a link? I don't know. I don't think I need that. <I: mmhmm> I'm just going to save.
P: That looks quite nice, it looks...got some attributes in there.
P: And, I'm going to refresh Cake and see if it's linked it.
P: Yeahhh, look at that, look at it go!
P: So, I've done it, and it's appeared down there <relations table>, and it's even got a little underscore 2. Which is, um, fun. ... That means nothing to me, but um. "v 2" <reading URL?> Version 2? <I: yep> Apparently it's version 2.
 - Would (or could) for other words, "yeah"

56:47 WRAP UP
 - Final comments:
P: Yeah! I like the ideas of...the being able to edit templates inline, although I think that needs...to be an option, or it needs to only---you know if it's more than five words or something it needs to just not do it because when I did the Jaws thing it put the /whole Jaws/.../template/ in the article I was trying to edit. ... Um.
I: And you didn't want that?
P: No, because it was too much, it was too much um, text. .. And I didn't...I want to see the article I'm editing, I don't want to necessarily see entire other articles if I've transcluded them. Errm, arguably, yes, but...if I'm viewing source, I like to see, /source/.
I: Even though the article you're editing, when viewed as a page, /does/ show all that text, and previously /did/ have all that text?
P: Mmhhh...true. True. I think it's because I was /creating/ it. I was creating that template and I...while I was editing it I think that just got inconvenient at the time, I can see your point. I think it's just the way I was using it.
P: Um. What else? Well obviously the UI's...alright, it needs <dismissive> new page buttons and things like this, um, relations.
I: There's a little "go to" box which you can use for that.
P: Oh, I would never---that would be like a search for me. I would not think---I'm expecting something up here <top navbar> saying "new page", and I just *phbbt* type the title in there. Which is fine, it's mostly UI stuff. Um.
P: Yeah, relations...I liked to be able to see...outgoing links...on the page I was editing. I don't like having to click "What Links Here". That's...pointless I think, so that's nice having that, and seeing stuff coming in /and/ out.../in a table/ is quite useful. Um, but...it's all a bit /raw/ at the moment because these links are all very cryptic underscore 2 things like that users...just, you're just going to confuse them.
P: But yeah. And I liked the attributes. I liked the infobox...idea, and it was nice to be able to just...instantly see what I had to type in, it was just---it was all there, it knew it was a Country, I could just go straight in and edit it, um, and not have to go fishing about and reading template documentation that's just plain text, which is what Wikipedia would be.
I: Cool.

 - Yes results
 - Yes voucher

