00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.750
Brione, Rebecca
OK, so I can see the transcription is started.
00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:09.790
Brione, Rebecca
And the recording has started. OK, brilliant. Thank you. OK, So what
00:00:09.890 --> 00:00:10.400
Brione, Rebecca
I'm.
00:00:11.330 --> 00:00:19.620
Brione, Rebecca
Oh yes, and Fiona was going to sort of sit in the background, but not sort of listening or not not join in. So it's just gonna be a conversation between the two of us.
00:00:20.370 --> 00:00:49.300
Brione, Rebecca
And So what I'm going to do in a second is just ask sort of a couple of sort of an introductory question to get the discussion going and then I'm going to ask some questions about policy proposals around mandatory alcohol screening as part of routine antenatal care, the transfer of alcohol information from maternity records to Children's Health records, the potential impacts that those measures could have on relationships between midwives and patients and the potential impact they may have on the professional identity of midwives.
00:00:50.620 --> 00:00:59.210
Brione, Rebecca
And I sort of have an idea of how long we might spend on each question, but it really depends on what you want to say and and how the discussion goes. So we can be sort of really flexible about that.
00:01:00.480 --> 00:01:15.610
Brione, Rebecca
So if you're alright to start, I wondered if to start with you might be able to tell me just a bit about your your sort of current role and your current practice in relation to sort of alcohol and and alcohol in antenatal care.
00:01:19.670 --> 00:01:24.190
Participant 6 (Guest)
First of all, May I say did that you're really doing a very nice project.
00:01:26.080 --> 00:01:26.510
Brione, Rebecca
Thank you.
00:01:27.150 --> 00:01:27.570
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yes.
00:01:29.030 --> 00:01:34.920
Participant 6 (Guest)
It's still close with me, that indeed there's a lot of policy framework that can be done.
00:01:36.600 --> 00:01:37.850
Participant 6 (Guest)
But it's necessary.
00:01:40.830 --> 00:01:48.060
Participant 6 (Guest)
However, my soul, the reality, supersedes policy expectations.
00:01:49.430 --> 00:01:57.110
Participant 6 (Guest)
And in my role, as a senior midwife, I've been blessed with the duty to bar.
00:01:58.610 --> 00:02:01.540
Participant 6 (Guest)
The bar often say that midwives.
00:02:03.420 --> 00:02:05.780
Participant 6 (Guest)
They are the gate keepers of life itself.
00:02:06.590 --> 00:02:07.760
Participant 6 (Guest)
Being that 
00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:14.450
Participant 6 (Guest)
It's hard not to see why midwife is a pivotal
00:02:15.310 --> 00:02:26.060
Participant 6 (Guest)
person in the in in the hospital sector because you have to take care of a vulnerable mother. You have to take care of.
00:02:26.820 --> 00:02:28.570
Participant 6 (Guest)
Vulnerable baby as well.
00:02:31.170 --> 00:02:34.180
Participant 6 (Guest)
And the gist of it all is that.
00:02:35.340 --> 00:02:42.430
Participant 6 (Guest)
Well, this is a lot of good considerations that go into it skills, the training.
00:02:43.870 --> 00:02:50.350
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh. In order to deliver and be responsible for the pregnancy labor.
00:02:51.650 --> 00:03:03.630
Participant 6 (Guest)
Before and after birth, it's not easy, and so what my role differently is about all about that kind of environment or angina.
00:03:04.750 --> 00:03:05.460
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah.
00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:13.500
Participant 6 (Guest)
Whereby, uhm, it's quite difficult to really, you know, uh, especially.
00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:20.290
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, when we live in times, where we should exercise superior caution.
00:03:21.480 --> 00:03:23.620
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, but well.
00:03:24.640 --> 00:03:31.650
Participant 6 (Guest)
Allow me to comment on the focus of this research about antenatal alcohol screening.
00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:33.340
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:38.250
Participant 6 (Guest)
It's a discussion that you know.
00:03:39.650 --> 00:03:46.030
Participant 6 (Guest)
Surrounds human rights. Surrounds the rights of the of the baby. It surrounds.
00:03:48.900 --> 00:03:59.890
Participant 6 (Guest)
Public policy.  It surrounds, you know, the intrusion of the state in terms of public and health welfare.
00:04:01.270 --> 00:04:03.420
Participant 6 (Guest)
And you know.
00:04:04.930 --> 00:04:16.430
Participant 6 (Guest)
Alcohol itself, is not a good thing when it comes to consumption of it, but it's a good thing when it comes to the the, the, the industrial value of it.
00:04:17.210 --> 00:04:28.240
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, and the fact that it brings a lot of taxes and all that. Yeah. The fact that the UK is one of the biggest consumers of beer, what have you well speaks to the economic.
00:04:28.900 --> 00:04:34.100
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh. Tentacles of alcohol? Yeah, but it should not be lost.
00:04:35.090 --> 00:04:42.250
Participant 6 (Guest)
on all of us that the the extent at which alcohol has been abused.
00:04:43.390 --> 00:04:46.000
Participant 6 (Guest)
Has impacted generations and generations.
00:04:47.130 --> 00:04:48.080
Participant 6 (Guest)
And therefore.
00:04:48.370 --> 00:04:49.060
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:04:51.620 --> 00:04:55.240
Participant 6 (Guest)
The most important time I always tell my patients is.
00:04:56.120 --> 00:05:09.250
Participant 6 (Guest)
The most important thing that you can do for your baby is to abstain. What other?  Uphold the consumption of alcohol during pregnancy and immediately after pregnancy as well.
00:05:10.080 --> 00:05:16.310
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, because it does well to alchol itself has its own.
00:05:18.110 --> 00:05:23.260
Participant 6 (Guest)
Negative impacts on immunity and.
00:05:24.440 --> 00:05:36.900
Participant 6 (Guest)
And there has been extensive research as well as the impact it has on genetic change. And research is a good point, but well, what matters is it.
00:05:38.090 --> 00:05:46.380
Participant 6 (Guest)
For people, especially in my line of sector, it's it's how we make a patient to really appreciate the.
00:05:48.140 --> 00:05:49.170
Participant 6 (Guest)
The.
00:05:50.170 --> 00:05:54.940
Participant 6 (Guest)
The care, the forbearance that we advised him against.
00:05:55.700 --> 00:06:03.970
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, because, well, people will always disobey things when they don't feel like they are part of the the reasoning in it.
00:06:05.310 --> 00:06:15.190
Participant 6 (Guest)
And well, I also wouldn't really buy into something if I don't feel indeed that IÕve understood quite clearly my duty and my obligations.
00:06:16.100 --> 00:06:22.830
Participant 6 (Guest)
And there's not another way to be then, that the to establish trust and and be able to deliver.
00:06:24.500 --> 00:06:25.840
Participant 6 (Guest)
Good advice.
00:06:26.650 --> 00:06:33.150
Participant 6 (Guest)
So to mothers and expectant mothers are because it's it's it's a great duty.
00:06:34.290 --> 00:06:34.790
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah.
00:06:35.990 --> 00:06:50.650
Brione, Rebecca
No. Thank you. That's really helpful. So if I if I was, if I was a pregnant woman and coming to a to a booking appointment with you, what sort of what sort of questions might you ask me in your sort of current practice?
00:06:55.070 --> 00:06:55.460
Participant 6 (Guest)
Well.
00:06:57.070 --> 00:06:57.670
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:06:58.350 --> 00:06:59.180
Participant 6 (Guest)
It depends.
00:07:02.050 --> 00:07:06.080
Participant 6 (Guest)
There is no straight forward way we because you have.
00:07:07.170 --> 00:07:10.340
Participant 6 (Guest)
Divergent in terms of the nature of people.
00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.000
Participant 6 (Guest)
You have divergences with age.
00:07:15.300 --> 00:07:17.280
Participant 6 (Guest)
You have divergences.
00:07:18.630 --> 00:07:19.120
Participant 6 (Guest)
With.
00:07:19.900 --> 00:07:25.850
Participant 6 (Guest)
the abilities and patience diverge with regards to 
00:07:25.930 --> 00:07:27.930
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, culture
00:07:28.750 --> 00:07:29.660
Participant 6 (Guest)
and
00:07:30.910 --> 00:07:36.360
Participant 6 (Guest)
economic status, so there's too much, but it depends.
00:07:37.420 --> 00:07:42.710
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, but one thing I like for sure about my job is to tell.
00:07:44.340 --> 00:07:47.870
Participant 6 (Guest)
Most of the initial interviews.
00:07:49.640 --> 00:07:53.110
Participant 6 (Guest)
I don't. I don't by the patients themselves whereby.
00:07:54.550 --> 00:08:04.740
Participant 6 (Guest)
They have expectations indeed. Uh. And and because it has come to my attention that.
00:08:05.430 --> 00:08:11.720
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh mothers in England, share in the greatest enthusiasm of raising children.
00:08:13.070 --> 00:08:14.970
Participant 6 (Guest)
And it's really.
00:08:15.870 --> 00:08:34.660
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, gives them a footing. It's they want to be part of the health engagement. And so it doesn't take long before you establish a quick rapport and start asking questions. But one of the most important questions that I ask is.
00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:36.410
Participant 6 (Guest)
Well.
00:08:36.990 --> 00:08:37.660
Participant 6 (Guest)
Umm.
00:08:39.760 --> 00:08:58.090
Participant 6 (Guest)
Is it that you do really want to have this baby and that you really want to raise a kid with healthy? Is it really something that you have planned or is it something that just happened? Because that question alone opens up a pathway of so many things in terms of?
00:08:58.700 --> 00:09:13.490
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, mental, psychological and even physical preparation. So if someone tells me some mistake, different questions. If someone tells me that they have been planning and planning and planning, then it definitely means that.
00:09:13.570 --> 00:09:25.900
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, they know. They, they, they, they pretty much know about so many things and so it changes the dynamic but for the patients who who who is kind of.
00:09:26.170 --> 00:09:26.830
Participant 6 (Guest)
You.
00:09:28.610 --> 00:09:43.890
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, new to this, has not premeditated the pregnancy. Then you you go to the depths of, you know, trying to bring them to speed. But for the patients who is expectant psychologically.
00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.950
Participant 6 (Guest)
It's just trying to fast track the initial conversation.
00:09:51.890 --> 00:09:58.220
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah. And try to at least make sure that they need to count these.
00:09:59.570 --> 00:10:01.480
Participant 6 (Guest)
ah well. Ah well. All of these. Yeah.
00:10:04.170 --> 00:10:15.340
Brione, Rebecca
OK. Thank you. That's really, really helpful. So can I ask you what you think about the idea of mandatory alcohol screening it at every antenatal contact? So at every appointment?
00:10:21.940 --> 00:10:22.690
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah.
00:10:25.680 --> 00:10:32.560
Participant 6 (Guest)
You will forgive me because I I I was really hungry. I've been taking the bite of something right here.
00:10:31.220 --> 00:10:32.370
Brione, Rebecca
That's OK, don't worry.
00:10:34.520 --> 00:10:35.000
Participant 6 (Guest)
Now.
00:10:37.340 --> 00:10:39.390
Participant 6 (Guest)
It is on good authority that.
00:10:40.730 --> 00:10:46.260
Participant 6 (Guest)
The proposals have been shared left, right and centre.
00:10:49.110 --> 00:10:53.880
Participant 6 (Guest)
By various stakeholders that there should be mandatory.
00:10:55.100 --> 00:10:57.930
Participant 6 (Guest)
And that's alcohol screening.
00:10:59.370 --> 00:11:01.110
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah. For me, yes.
00:11:01.390 --> 00:11:02.080
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:11:02.230 --> 00:11:02.630
Participant 6 (Guest)
Probably.
00:11:04.450 --> 00:11:06.770
Participant 6 (Guest)
It goes without saying that.
00:11:07.950 --> 00:11:08.760
Participant 6 (Guest)
According to.
00:11:09.750 --> 00:11:17.040
Participant 6 (Guest)
The economic view is worth it, according to the sociological view.
00:11:18.020 --> 00:11:23.600
Participant 6 (Guest)
It's still worth it, but when we get political is when we might draw the line.
00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:29.080
Participant 6 (Guest)
And sadly, the UK is very political.
00:11:31.060 --> 00:11:35.870
Participant 6 (Guest)
And things spin because of political leanings.
00:11:36.560 --> 00:11:39.070
Participant 6 (Guest)
Conservatism and.
00:11:40.310 --> 00:11:49.310
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh. Liberalism, Visa vee, Right wing, left wing, you know all the leanings, but.
00:11:50.290 --> 00:11:58.680
Participant 6 (Guest)
The reason why I'm highlighting the political part is because they ultimately other ones that tend to push things.
00:11:59.660 --> 00:12:04.150
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah. Yeah. So it's not to say that.
00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:13.340
Participant 6 (Guest)
The uh, the women constituency or the motherhood constituency of voters who disapprove such a policy.
00:12:14.300 --> 00:12:20.050
Participant 6 (Guest)
But because it's beneficial indeed, but the nation is healthy.
00:12:21.030 --> 00:12:25.460
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, the the people that didn't need uh, you know?
00:12:27.790 --> 00:12:53.860
Participant 6 (Guest)
That the country takes care of its next generation because what a child who is born with conditions does for the country is, as they become a burden to the tax payers. So technically, economically speaking, yes. How else speaking. Yes, sometimes you have patients that have not willing to take it because of, you know.
00:12:54.640 --> 00:12:59.050
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, guilt and you know, guilt, you know.
00:12:59.130 --> 00:13:01.240
Participant 6 (Guest)
No, but it goes.
00:13:02.300 --> 00:13:07.530
Participant 6 (Guest)
It's just obvious indeed that they have indulged in the habit or two.
00:13:08.620 --> 00:13:10.330
Participant 6 (Guest)
Umm but.
00:13:11.410 --> 00:13:20.280
Participant 6 (Guest)
They it puts one in a very hard task because then you have to be able to just read from other signs.
00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:21.920
Participant 6 (Guest)
And.
00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:24.350
Participant 6 (Guest)
To be hard to.
00:13:24.680 --> 00:13:27.550
Participant 6 (Guest)
And to impute certainly.
00:13:28.650 --> 00:13:29.750
Participant 6 (Guest)
Data because.
00:13:30.990 --> 00:13:37.090
Participant 6 (Guest)
This could only be proven with with things to do with antenatal alcohol screening.
00:13:38.690 --> 00:13:44.150
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, I was sharing with a colleague just quite recently that.
00:13:46.140 --> 00:13:47.190
Participant 6 (Guest)
In any way.
00:13:48.230 --> 00:13:50.340
Participant 6 (Guest)
Women should be encouraged.
00:13:52.560 --> 00:13:59.950
Participant 6 (Guest)
and sufficient campaign should also be if we're thinking policy, then some funds should be allocated for.
00:14:00.550 --> 00:14:06.160
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh. Kind of civic education of of, of of young girls and.
00:14:07.180 --> 00:14:14.220
Participant 6 (Guest)
Into reproductive health and also to to parents as well, who might be able to advise you know.
00:14:14.920 --> 00:14:23.850
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, because I feel like the financial allocation to the contingent of reproductive health.
00:14:25.630 --> 00:14:26.920
Participant 6 (Guest)
Is not in any way.
00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:28.550
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:14:29.710 --> 00:14:30.150
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:14:32.530 --> 00:14:40.840
Participant 6 (Guest)
Is not well compensated when you when you see the, doesn't measure up well when you compare to the objective.
00:14:41.610 --> 00:14:42.310
Participant 6 (Guest)
purpose
00:14:44.380 --> 00:14:46.760
Participant 6 (Guest)
And depth of that, that that sex, here.
00:14:47.590 --> 00:14:51.360
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah. So talking policy, a lot of policy should be done indeed.
00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.240
Brione, Rebecca
No. Thank you. I think sorry. I didn't mean to talk over you.
00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:53.960
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah.
00:14:58.070 --> 00:15:02.200
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I don't know what happens to your question.
00:15:02.870 --> 00:15:32.270
Brione, Rebecca
So I think I think you you partly have, but I think I'd like to ask like a little bit more because I think you've made a lot of really interesting points about the sort of the policy framework and the political context. But I think one of the things we're really keen to understand in this project specifically is the sort of the impacts, the pros and cons for midwives in their professional role of sort of being the one to being the one who would.
00:15:32.460 --> 00:15:47.210
Brione, Rebecca
Be carrying out any screening and being being involved in if, if if that policy was in place, being being the sort of people who are having to do a lot of the stuff in it. So in terms of sort of.
00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:57.170
Brione, Rebecca
What you were saying about how you how are these sorts of things would feed into your practice? Like are there particular points
00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:14.310
Brione, Rebecca
And during the antenatal sort of care journey or the pregnancy journey, where you'd feel more or less comfortable with, with asking, asking about alcohol intake, or do you think you'd actually be quite comfortable asking about it at every appointment?
00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:20.210
Participant 6 (Guest)
What happens is that a patient.
00:16:21.430 --> 00:16:24.560
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh would answer that question.
00:16:26.150 --> 00:16:31.940
Participant 6 (Guest)
In one of the interviews and issues to do with the alcohol and bad habits.
00:16:32.860 --> 00:16:38.650
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, is it very hard questions because some people might think that you're judging them.
00:16:40.210 --> 00:16:40.670
Participant 6 (Guest)
And.
00:16:40.750 --> 00:16:41.320
Participant 6 (Guest)
The.
00:16:43.110 --> 00:16:52.540
Participant 6 (Guest)
Especially when people know that they live in an area of democracy and enjoyment of personal liberty.
00:16:53.600 --> 00:17:07.150
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, it's sometimes it's hard for them to quantify the consistency at which they drink, but it's hard to find someone who says that, you know, I have been drinking this much.
00:17:09.910 --> 00:17:14.770
Participant 6 (Guest)
If you ask someone really, and the most important question is really that.
00:17:17.030 --> 00:17:19.190
Participant 6 (Guest)
You know? Uh.
00:17:20.030 --> 00:17:38.640
Participant 6 (Guest)
What is the ideal? What is the? What is their perception of alcohol? Because that's that's that's the most important question I always ask. Well, have you, have you always been drinking and do you think you love your baby well that you will be able to at least you know quit for a while and?
00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:39.180
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah.
00:17:40.590 --> 00:17:54.450
Participant 6 (Guest)
I I prefer to be proactive, not to really be reactive. I prefer that when you indeed ask patients about the yeah, the, the, the screening of alcohol, etcetera.
00:17:55.590 --> 00:18:03.310
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, it already destroys the incentive that they may do have of quitting for the.
00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:09.120
Participant 6 (Guest)
period of the pregnancy so.
00:18:10.900 --> 00:18:22.850
Participant 6 (Guest)
So I I find it in a way when I when I when I do very well can read the the patient has been indulging in in the proclivities of alcohol.
00:18:25.210 --> 00:18:32.440
Participant 6 (Guest)
But I do is that they need try to contradistinct between the baby and a bowl of alcohol.
00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:43.470
Participant 6 (Guest)
And what I do is indeed entirely the person, but they are they they they are cutting the most important person in their lives.
00:18:44.450 --> 00:18:49.380
Participant 6 (Guest)
And that person that they uh labor to protect.
00:18:50.230 --> 00:18:53.910
Participant 6 (Guest)
Will indeed be somebody really wonderful if.
00:18:55.460 --> 00:19:04.540
Participant 6 (Guest)
They are able to to to feed them and and then I would ask them if if after giving birth they would like to feed.
00:19:05.270 --> 00:19:26.300
Participant 6 (Guest)
The baby with some alcohol even just some few milliliters, and they always objects. No. No way, no how. Wouldn't do that. No one wants to give some alcohol to a 2 month old baby. Leat alone a ten year old boy. Yeah. So if if you're, if you're unwilling to.
00:19:28.700 --> 00:19:38.250
Participant 6 (Guest)
share some alcohol with, some beer, some pint of beer with the 10 year old boy. Then why would you be willing indeed to indulge?
00:19:39.800 --> 00:19:41.240
Participant 6 (Guest)
A fetus.
00:19:42.950 --> 00:19:50.520
Participant 6 (Guest)
with the same because what do you take is what they take. So once I I I bring some analogies, some analogies.
00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:55.930
Participant 6 (Guest)
It's it destroys the the kind of uh.
00:19:57.410 --> 00:19:58.600
Participant 6 (Guest)
Should I see the?
00:20:00.060 --> 00:20:01.750
Participant 6 (Guest)
I'm looking for the right word.
00:20:02.600 --> 00:20:06.990
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, it's sort of changes. It creates a certain kind of.
00:20:09.930 --> 00:20:13.030
Participant 6 (Guest)
ÔAh-haÕ moment. Ohh yes. And and that moment.
00:20:13.710 --> 00:20:23.000
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, it stuns them and every time I've I've found a patient who has accepted in their indulgences.
00:20:23.750 --> 00:20:27.000
Participant 6 (Guest)
after sharing that I've really never.
00:20:28.710 --> 00:20:58.380
Participant 6 (Guest)
Gone forward and and and and and and just ask them. It is the patient themselves who want to prove to you that indeed I want you to know that haven't been taking alcohol, that I'm taking this this screening just so you know that you know, ever since we spoke, I feel like you, you really told me the importance of everything but not really as a way of judging a patient. It doesn't work like that. Patients have a lot of their.
00:20:58.470 --> 00:21:07.250
Participant 6 (Guest)
edgy. People are edgy with dignity and then and and dignity. And and the personal self and the ego and esteem. Tred very easy around those things.
00:21:09.090 --> 00:21:09.810
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah.
00:21:09.990 --> 00:21:23.300
Brione, Rebecca
Yeah. No, thank you. So can I just just to make sure I understand, do you do you tend to bring it up proactively, standardly or do you wait until until or unless they bring it up?
00:21:30.620 --> 00:21:32.270
Participant 6 (Guest)
My my engagement.
00:21:32.350 --> 00:21:33.020
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah.
00:21:34.850 --> 00:21:37.300
Participant 6 (Guest)
I tend to go general.
00:21:41.510 --> 00:21:42.650
Participant 6 (Guest)
On so many things.
00:21:43.500 --> 00:21:53.950
Participant 6 (Guest)
At at once really generalize so many things you know and an avalanche of. At first I I bring an avalanche of so many issues.
00:21:55.080 --> 00:22:03.270
Participant 6 (Guest)
Ohm well, observing the nature of reception of the person. Then later on well.
00:22:04.450 --> 00:22:09.590
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uhm, later on I I narrowed down to you.
00:22:10.360 --> 00:22:10.870
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:16.330
Participant 6 (Guest)
Susceptibilities. So while I narrow down the susceptibilities.
00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:35.930
Participant 6 (Guest)
Is when I I I I talk about the dangers. That is it could be maybe the next time we meet I talk about the dangers, the things, the doÕs, the very serious dos, and the very serious donÕts. And and one of the serious donÕt is alcohol.
00:22:37.250 --> 00:22:38.020
Participant 6 (Guest)
The.
00:22:39.030 --> 00:23:00.490
Participant 6 (Guest)
Always find myself, uh, quite smoothly, frankly speaking, because, well, a patient to always know whether you're really into them, whether you you, you've given them the, the whole, the attention that you should. And so by the time you, you, you, you begin telling them things that's may not lighten their hearts.
00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:04.110
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, if you already established a rappot
00:23:05.690 --> 00:23:15.280
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, it's inevitable that the patient would take what would have been edgy and would in fact.
00:23:16.030 --> 00:23:30.350
Participant 6 (Guest)
Taking to all hazardly and so you the the circumstances that have been indeed creepy, then that would be the most positive circumstances because once you have established a patient, the rapport and the trust.
00:23:30.940 --> 00:23:33.590
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, that's how people are doing.
00:23:36.090 --> 00:23:39.060
Brione, Rebecca
Yeah. No, thank you. That makes that makes a lot of sense.
00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:44.300
Brione, Rebecca
I'm I'd like to move on to ask you so.
00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:54.090
Brione, Rebecca
What do you think about the idea of routinely transferring information about how much women are drinking onto the child's health records?
00:24:04.670 --> 00:24:05.480
Participant 6 (Guest)
Indeed.
00:24:10.210 --> 00:24:10.950
Participant 6 (Guest)
I think.
00:24:14.510 --> 00:24:15.480
Participant 6 (Guest)
The the baby.
00:24:16.760 --> 00:24:17.710
Participant 6 (Guest)
Should.
00:24:19.580 --> 00:24:21.370
Participant 6 (Guest)
Should have distinctive.
00:24:22.450 --> 00:24:24.440
Participant 6 (Guest)
Umm, health records.
00:24:25.360 --> 00:24:30.210
Participant 6 (Guest)
But it is important that the same way you're going to have the.
00:24:33.830 --> 00:24:39.190
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, the, the, the genetic, the genetic data and the.
00:24:40.500 --> 00:24:43.410
Participant 6 (Guest)
live data, what have you?
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:47.910
Participant 6 (Guest)
I think data on.
00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:49.610
Participant 6 (Guest)
Alcohol.
00:24:51.370 --> 00:25:03.200
Participant 6 (Guest)
Consumption should also be reflected, but as secondary data, not really as primary data, because the science around.
00:25:03.660 --> 00:25:04.740
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:25:05.420 --> 00:25:08.170
Participant 6 (Guest)
The spectrums disorders in all those.
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:14.310
Participant 6 (Guest)
Is evolving and the conciseness of that as well.
00:25:17.310 --> 00:25:24.060
Participant 6 (Guest)
In my view, the variables around the child's own health.
00:25:24.940 --> 00:25:30.470
Participant 6 (Guest)
Has to do with the childÕs own, unique genetic code and then a little bit of the.
00:25:31.850 --> 00:25:35.230
Participant 6 (Guest)
The, the alcohol involvement.
00:25:35.910 --> 00:25:42.960
Participant 6 (Guest)
But it's not negligible, so which means I I consider it important secondary data.
00:25:44.710 --> 00:25:49.850
Brione, Rebecca
And can I just ask what you mean by secondary data in terms of like how it should be
00:25:50.570 --> 00:25:55.120
Brione, Rebecca
Recorded or where it should be recorded? I wasn't quite sure exactly what you meant by that.
00:25:56.980 --> 00:25:57.390
Participant 6 (Guest)
Well.
00:25:57.530 --> 00:25:58.050
Participant 6 (Guest)
Umm.
00:26:01.190 --> 00:26:02.260
Participant 6 (Guest)
Secondary data.
00:26:03.460 --> 00:26:03.970
Participant 6 (Guest)
Means.
00:26:08.800 --> 00:26:10.990
Participant 6 (Guest)
Means much more like correlative data.
00:26:11.730 --> 00:26:16.570
Participant 6 (Guest)
Well, it's primary data, but it's tier 2. Yeah, Tier 2.
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:17.490
Brione, Rebecca
OK.
00:26:17.320 --> 00:26:19.720
Participant 6 (Guest)
They have the first tier then, of course.
00:26:20.890 --> 00:26:23.350
Participant 6 (Guest)
It's a little bit over of an inferior tier, yeah.
00:26:25.030 --> 00:26:25.480
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah.
00:26:26.340 --> 00:26:32.330
Brione, Rebecca
And do you think it's something that should be recorded in there, in the child's red book, for example?
00:26:33.310 --> 00:26:34.400
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah. Good idea.
00:26:36.950 --> 00:26:45.960
Brione, Rebecca
Thank you. And do you think that if the data is being recorded, do you think it should be recorded on a mandatory basis or do you think it should be sort of voluntary
00:26:47.120 --> 00:26:48.760
Brione, Rebecca
Depending depending on the woman.
00:26:49.520 --> 00:26:51.050
Brione, Rebecca
The womanÕs sort of view on it?
00:26:52.360 --> 00:26:53.910
Participant 6 (Guest)
You know speaking.
00:26:56.170 --> 00:27:00.720
Participant 6 (Guest)
Speaking of of of of of Data.
00:27:02.820 --> 00:27:03.510
Participant 6 (Guest)
UM.
00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:12.130
Participant 6 (Guest)
Insofar as it will serve, it's in the best interest of the child to have every data thatÕs related to the child.
00:27:13.350 --> 00:27:19.530
Participant 6 (Guest)
Aggregated in in the central place, it's in the best interest of the child, and if it's in the best interest of the child.
00:27:20.690 --> 00:27:27.280
Participant 6 (Guest)
Is in the best interest of the health care system in the present, in the future. And so yeah, that explains it.
00:27:29.500 --> 00:27:35.820
Brione, Rebecca
So am I correct in in in understanding that you think it should be mandatory? Please say if I'm wrong.
00:27:36.210 --> 00:27:38.090
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, indeed. You're right.
00:27:36.590 --> 00:27:37.360
Brione, Rebecca
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:38.060 --> 00:27:41.640
Brione, Rebecca
OK. OK. Thank you. That's very clear. That's really helpful.
00:27:42.360 --> 00:27:45.790
Brione, Rebecca
And so you talked a little bit earlier about.
00:27:47.110 --> 00:27:53.440
Brione, Rebecca
The sorts of, how you build a relationship with your patients and also how you have these conversations.
00:27:55.360 --> 00:28:18.450
Brione, Rebecca
In in a way that sort of maintains a good relationship, and I just wondered if you could tell me a bit more about let's if we assume that there was a proposal that you needed to ask about alcohol intake at every appointment and that that information would be transferred into the child's health records, I'd like to hear your views about whether that those proposals coming in would
00:28:18.790 --> 00:28:22.380
Brione, Rebecca
have any impact on the relationship with your patients?
00:28:26.450 --> 00:28:40.790
Participant 6 (Guest)
There are so many mandatory things that we do that patients don't know, that it's mandatory. They think it's just normal procedure. But if there was a way that this kind of mandatory procedure.
00:28:42.710 --> 00:28:47.520
Participant 6 (Guest)
It's done in a way that patients understand it as.
00:28:48.630 --> 00:28:49.700
Participant 6 (Guest)
As part of.
00:28:50.390 --> 00:28:50.890
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:28:52.450 --> 00:28:53.150
Participant 6 (Guest)
Essential.
00:28:54.590 --> 00:29:01.940
Participant 6 (Guest)
Medical objects that have been inculcated and not really as a legal kind of thing, legal policy.
00:29:03.860 --> 00:29:06.210
Participant 6 (Guest)
I don't see why patients won't decline.
00:29:08.860 --> 00:29:09.510
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah.
00:29:10.450 --> 00:29:12.110
Brione, Rebecca
Do you Umm?
00:29:13.170 --> 00:29:15.220
Brione, Rebecca
Do you think that there would be?
00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:24.440
Brione, Rebecca
Uh, so I guess if somebody did want to decline, do you think that that would have an impact on on your relationship with them?
00:29:29.590 --> 00:29:34.240
Participant 6 (Guest)
Ideally, if a patient.
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:35.480
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:29:36.990 --> 00:29:42.560
Participant 6 (Guest)
Seems to be engaging in in, in, in alcohol proclivities.
00:29:44.560 --> 00:29:49.230
Participant 6 (Guest)
What happens is that, uh, you, you tend to share more caution.
00:29:51.850 --> 00:30:01.820
Participant 6 (Guest)
You you tend to be share more caution with the with the patient you tell to realize that such a person may have.
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:07.870
Participant 6 (Guest)
Stints of carelessness and recklessness, and therefore.
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:21.010
Participant 6 (Guest)
I almost spend each and every time, reminding the person of the basics. So I engaged in that repetitive exercise often and often and often. yeah.
00:30:23.360 --> 00:30:23.930
Brione, Rebecca
OK.
00:30:23.360 --> 00:30:26.910
Participant 6 (Guest)
As opposed to as opposed to a person, it will shows diffidence.
00:30:28.100 --> 00:30:34.670
Participant 6 (Guest)
That's quite easy, and it gets to label whereby you can clearly.
00:30:35.560 --> 00:30:36.260
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:30:37.340 --> 00:30:39.670
Participant 6 (Guest)
Give certain quote unquote.
00:30:41.550 --> 00:30:45.550
Participant 6 (Guest)
Good prophecies about how things will go, yeah.
00:30:46.820 --> 00:30:58.030
Brione, Rebecca
And do you so do you think that the proposals around having to ask at every appointment and and transferring that information, do you think that that would that would change how
00:30:58.940 --> 00:31:01.950
Brione, Rebecca
Sort of the the sorts of relationships that you've just described?
00:31:04.010 --> 00:31:08.400
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yes, indeed it might. It might change. It might change.
00:31:09.700 --> 00:31:16.430
Participant 6 (Guest)
It could be positive, then negatively as well, because how proud, how proud would.
00:31:17.820 --> 00:31:18.710
Participant 6 (Guest)
Would uh.
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:25.390
Participant 6 (Guest)
A pregnant mother be when they can clearly prove to the.
00:31:26.110 --> 00:31:27.320
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:31:29.310 --> 00:31:35.900
Participant 6 (Guest)
That's the whole world when the data is there, that indeed they are clean in terms of alcohol intake.
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:45.310
Participant 6 (Guest)
How much proud that can that such a person be? You can imagine what that would mean. When you are the person sharing the resolve that.
00:31:46.170 --> 00:31:54.870
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, you know it. It does a hell much more good in terms of boosting those relationships.
00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:59.130
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah. And then also.
00:32:00.190 --> 00:32:14.400
Participant 6 (Guest)
How much more can have indeed, a pregnant mother indulging in alcohol be when finally you have the results that you're able to treat them with the greatest dignity and love.
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:32.290
Participant 6 (Guest)
Despite you know that they are really tired out the data that says who they are and and but it's still overlook that. So in a way according to me there is an angle in which yeah it will improve relationships in an unexpected twist.
00:32:33.690 --> 00:32:34.660
Participant 6 (Guest)
Sometimes since.
00:32:36.870 --> 00:32:47.120
Brione, Rebecca
No. Thank you. That's that's really, really helpful. And and do you think that that's do you think that's the same if there was if the proposal was for?
00:32:47.490 --> 00:32:53.060
Brione, Rebecca
Uh asking about alcohol and transferring the information, or just asking? Or do you think that?
00:32:53.900 --> 00:33:01.630
Brione, Rebecca
Without transferring or do you think that both of those both of those proposals would have the same sorts of effects that you've just described?
00:33:03.790 --> 00:33:06.390
Participant 6 (Guest)
Well, well, UM.
00:33:07.110 --> 00:33:09.000
Participant 6 (Guest)
In so far as.
00:33:11.840 --> 00:33:18.330
Participant 6 (Guest)
The the proposal on on, on testing and then proposing the data.
00:33:19.330 --> 00:33:19.800
Participant 6 (Guest)
I mean.
00:33:20.540 --> 00:33:24.210
Participant 6 (Guest)
They seem independent, seem independent on paper.
00:33:25.430 --> 00:33:26.520
Participant 6 (Guest)
But practically.
00:33:27.700 --> 00:33:33.370
Participant 6 (Guest)
They, they, they they are tied to the hip mean the they cannot be separated.
00:33:34.050 --> 00:33:40.480
Participant 6 (Guest)
Because if you go in full swing on on on on the protection of of of, of, of the child.
00:33:41.300 --> 00:33:43.470
Participant 6 (Guest)
If you're going full speed then.
00:33:46.070 --> 00:33:47.820
Participant 6 (Guest)
There's no way that.
00:33:50.590 --> 00:33:53.960
Participant 6 (Guest)
That you cannot make the consideration that.
00:33:54.120 --> 00:33:54.490
Participant 6 (Guest)
Umm.
00:33:56.700 --> 00:34:10.870
Participant 6 (Guest)
That alternately you will meet you to to, to help both ideas and to to to sit them out once, because if you engage on the 1st and later on try to bring the 2nd.
00:34:11.690 --> 00:34:18.040
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, you will lose the trust of the the system in in in the contingent, the the.
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:31.210
Participant 6 (Guest)
The expectant contingent at indecisiveness and lack of straightforwardness of the system, so those are things that must be sold at the same time.
00:34:32.910 --> 00:34:37.150
Participant 6 (Guest)
Just, uh, would you please allow me a minute to to take a call? Just a minute.
00:34:37.180 --> 00:34:39.840
Brione, Rebecca
Yeah, no, of course, no problem. Just let me know when you're ready.
00:40:01.350 --> 00:40:01.760
Participant 6 (Guest)
Ah.
00:40:02.870 --> 00:40:03.860
Participant 6 (Guest)
IÕm right there.
00:40:05.080 --> 00:40:07.280
Brione, Rebecca
Hi, yes, I'm back. Are you?
00:40:06.650 --> 00:40:07.320
Participant 6 (Guest)
This.
00:40:08.100 --> 00:40:08.820
Brione, Rebecca
Are you OK?
00:40:08.190 --> 00:40:14.060
Participant 6 (Guest)
So that, yeah, it's I  had an emergency. Indeed, I needed to to to be to.
00:40:15.550 --> 00:40:19.050
Participant 6 (Guest)
To be part of some discussion, but I have told them that.
00:40:19.130 --> 00:40:22.840
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, I will speak with them later on.
00:40:23.530 --> 00:40:29.100
Brione, Rebecca
Are you sure? You sure? Well, I think we'll only be a few more minutes if if if you're certain that you're OK to carry on.
00:40:29.770 --> 00:40:30.230
Participant 6 (Guest)
All right.
00:40:31.170 --> 00:40:35.500
Brione, Rebecca
Alright, thank you. I really appreciate that. And yeah, not a problem at all. Life 
00:40:36.160 --> 00:40:53.250
Brione, Rebecca
Is complicated, isn't it? So we've been really, really helpful and very clear so far, which has been great. So so the last question that I just wanted to ask you, and I think you probably touched on it a bit with what you've said already, but I will ask it anyway.
00:40:53.750 --> 00:40:57.880
Brione, Rebecca
And is is, whether carrying out mandatory screening.
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:05.560
Brione, Rebecca
And and with the transfer of information, whether that would change the way you view your professional identity and role.
00:41:09.720 --> 00:41:10.370
Participant 6 (Guest)
Pardon?
00:41:11.230 --> 00:41:21.820
Brione, Rebecca
And would carrying out the sort of proposals so screening and transfer of information change the way you view your sort of professional identity as a midwife and your role as a midwife?
00:41:25.420 --> 00:41:27.550
Participant 6 (Guest)
I think that at some point.
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:36.110
Participant 6 (Guest)
Being a midwife is is is, is less about the.
00:41:37.910 --> 00:41:49.710
Participant 6 (Guest)
The the medical practice, but more about the human practice. Knowing what's good. And it's not just about delivering babies, it's about.
00:41:51.200 --> 00:41:53.530
Participant 6 (Guest)
Professionally, doing so and.
00:41:54.850 --> 00:41:57.520
Participant 6 (Guest)
And in a way, that's that's indeed.
00:41:59.450 --> 00:42:06.060
Participant 6 (Guest)
That gives the children a footing, best chance to to start life.
00:42:06.560 --> 00:42:07.070
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:42:08.490 --> 00:42:14.070
Participant 6 (Guest)
With great health, great potential, and what better way?
00:42:14.910 --> 00:42:27.360
Participant 6 (Guest)
To do that than to ensure that these policies are there to prevent alcohol abuse cost causing which causes normally causes disorders.
00:42:28.170 --> 00:42:29.080
Participant 6 (Guest)
And also.
00:42:29.580 --> 00:42:30.310
Participant 6 (Guest)
Umm.
00:42:31.570 --> 00:42:34.520
Participant 6 (Guest)
In cases that such situations are there.
00:42:35.980 --> 00:42:39.020
Participant 6 (Guest)
How much more effective would the
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:51.130
Participant 6 (Guest)
Protection of those children be with data about their mothers on board now, so it would mean that indeed.
00:42:51.970 --> 00:42:53.830
Participant 6 (Guest)
We are birthing the generation.
00:42:54.850 --> 00:42:57.500
Participant 6 (Guest)
That's clearly protected, that's.
00:42:59.100 --> 00:43:19.740
Participant 6 (Guest)
There's been given a stage of that's been privileged indeed to to be well taken care of right from the start. It it's sort of like these things. They have a snowball effect in the in the whole medical system. And I think, yeah, if if, if, if it's going to take policy change to begin right.
00:43:21.160 --> 00:43:25.830
Participant 6 (Guest)
In reproductive healthcare, I think it's going to move.
00:43:26.170 --> 00:43:32.040
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, it's going to at least positively transform the other sectors as well.
00:43:33.530 --> 00:43:39.890
Brione, Rebecca
Thank you. And do you think are there any sort of downsides you see in terms of how you see your professional role?
00:43:42.150 --> 00:43:47.360
Participant 6 (Guest)
However, as a midwife you you're trying to be very optimistic about things.
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.020
Participant 6 (Guest)
I really am optimistic, even in the worst times.
00:43:54.220 --> 00:44:01.910
Participant 6 (Guest)
But I I I, I I foresee just political challenge because this politicians are trained to be pessimistic and then and those are the people that are.
00:44:02.990 --> 00:44:03.820
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:44:04.820 --> 00:44:07.900
Participant 6 (Guest)
greatest hazards of society because.
00:44:09.740 --> 00:44:12.950
Participant 6 (Guest)
They need to sound controversial they need to sound.
00:44:14.980 --> 00:44:23.000
Participant 6 (Guest)
Stringent in a way, they need to sound very protective of rights. Yeah, the downside is.
00:44:23.070 --> 00:44:23.350
Participant 6 (Guest)
It's.
00:44:25.410 --> 00:44:32.290
Participant 6 (Guest)
Political temperatures on intrusion and data issues more expect that, of course, yeah.
00:44:33.590 --> 00:44:44.330
Brione, Rebecca
That that's that type of thing rather than sort of downsides on like how it affects your day to day work and your your day to day sort of professional identity.
00:44:44.870 --> 00:44:50.120
Participant 6 (Guest)
Ohh I am prepared. I'm prepared to to walk with policies that will be there.
00:44:51.940 --> 00:45:05.000
Participant 6 (Guest)
Because I'm right armed with the psychological devices of ensuing that I maintain and I fulfilled ohh my duties as a professional.
00:45:07.620 --> 00:45:08.030
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah.
00:45:07.680 --> 00:45:07.980
Brione, Rebecca
And.
00:45:08.710 --> 00:45:28.630
Brione, Rebecca
Thank you. That's really helpful. Can I just ask something that just sort of context about how you work at the moment? So you talked about sort of having the opportunity to build up a relationship. Do you often have a sort of a continuity relationship with with women in your care or do you tend to see people?
00:45:29.420 --> 00:45:32.140
Brione, Rebecca
Sort of in a in a clinic setting where you.
00:45:33.250 --> 00:45:38.940
Brione, Rebecca
Maybe you might not always have that opportunity to to sort of build up a relationship over time.
00:45:40.430 --> 00:45:43.460
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, yeah, I I might say I uh.
00:45:40.700 --> 00:45:41.160
Brione, Rebecca
Ohh.
00:45:44.580 --> 00:45:58.430
Participant 6 (Guest)
Some parents I have been with them for years. For six years, seven years. But then there will always be new parents and there will always be new parents based on.
00:45:59.040 --> 00:45:59.870
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh.
00:46:01.180 --> 00:46:11.930
Participant 6 (Guest)
Based on things to do with change of domicile when a person moves to a new area and then of course there is coming to age of a new young mother.
00:46:05.540 --> 00:46:05.850
Brione, Rebecca
Umm.
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:13.750
Participant 6 (Guest)
And.
00:46:15.740 --> 00:46:27.450
Participant 6 (Guest)
It's always kind of for me. It it I I find a lot of continuity but with the fact that people nowadays have restricted the.
00:46:27.530 --> 00:46:28.100
Participant 6 (Guest)
The.
00:46:29.110 --> 00:46:41.420
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh, I'm more they make better that they make better decisions in terms of reproductive health means that they have less children and and so the times really that you engage even with the resident much more minimal minimally.
00:46:43.220 --> 00:46:44.830
Brione, Rebecca
Thank you. Thank you.
00:46:45.140 --> 00:46:55.810
Brione, Rebecca
And is there anything else that you would like to sort of say about this area before we sort of wrap up and sort of just cover the thank yous and things?
00:46:56.790 --> 00:47:03.380
Participant 6 (Guest)
You know what I want you to wrap up badly, but I must say something about the project that you doing, but.
00:47:02.600 --> 00:47:03.360
Brione, Rebecca
Yeah, please.
00:47:03.460 --> 00:47:11.890
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, it if if indeed it would do well as well if maybe you can collect the views of.
00:47:12.120 --> 00:47:14.140
Participant 6 (Guest)
Uh young mothers.
00:47:15.210 --> 00:47:16.260
Participant 6 (Guest)
And.
00:47:17.240 --> 00:47:18.810
Participant 6 (Guest)
Expecting mothers as well.
00:47:20.080 --> 00:47:27.670
Participant 6 (Guest)
And because, you know their input around issues of data is very important.
00:47:28.850 --> 00:47:33.600
Participant 6 (Guest)
And that's it for me, but I know it definitely. Your able.
00:47:34.860 --> 00:47:39.430
Participant 6 (Guest)
Platform would definitely venture in the direction as well.
00:47:40.810 --> 00:47:57.500
Brione, Rebecca
Yeah. No, thank you. I mean, so, so we currently, you're right, we are currently we're focusing on on midwives views for for various reasons but yeah, no I agree. I agree that that's also that women's views and are also a really important part of the picture.
00:47:58.590 --> 00:47:59.200
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah.
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:00.260
Brione, Rebecca
Well, sorry.
00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:04.550
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I see the sense in that as well.
00:48:05.970 --> 00:48:32.480
Brione, Rebecca
Brilliant. Ohh well, thank you so much for your time today and for really helpful really great discussion. So just to reiterate what I said at the start, this is obviously been recorded and so Fiona will, once we've finished download the automatically generated transcript, she will correct it against the recording and remove any identifying information. I'm not sure if you've shared any actually, but if you.
00:48:32.560 --> 00:49:04.460
Brione, Rebecca
We've just make sure there's nothing on there and only at that point will it be shared with me and with Rachel Arkell, the other member of the research team. If you want to see a copy of the corrected transcript, or indeed any of the sort of papers or briefing notes or anything that we produce as a result of the project, then if you can just email Fiona on the email address that was on the participant information sheet that you had and the email address that you've been using to talk to Fiona, we can make sure that you get sent to those.
00:49:04.830 --> 00:49:34.180
Brione, Rebecca
And and I think as you know, as a token of our thanks for giving up your valuable time and sharing your views will be emailing you a £50 love to shop voucher which Fiona will send you but will be with you pretty pretty soon. I'm not gonna commit her to an exact time, but she's been sending them out very promptly, but any I've, no oneÕs had any problems with them. But if you do have any problems, let us know and.
00:49:35.240 --> 00:49:39.110
Brione, Rebecca
Was there anything else you wanted to say before we before we finish?
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:43.440
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, yeah. I look forward to that voucher. Yeah.
00:49:44.360 --> 00:50:00.790
Brione, Rebecca
Good. Well, I hope that you enjoy spending it. It's always nice to get to be able to use research as it's always nice to be able to offer a thank you. And I've always, you know, I always like it when I'm on the receiving end of one myself. So you can enjoy it.
00:49:47.460 --> 00:49:49.350
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:57.680 --> 00:49:58.760
Participant 6 (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:02.010 --> 00:50:12.640
Brione, Rebecca
But yeah, thank you so much for your time and for a really good discussion and I hope you have a lovely evening and thank you again for like bearing with us while we found a time to talk, I'm so glad that we were able to.
00:50:13.300 --> 00:50:15.510
Participant 6 (Guest)
It has been amazing. You do have a good winner.
00:50:15.980 --> 00:50:18.090
Brione, Rebecca
Thank you very much indeed. Take care.
00:50:18.690 --> 00:50:19.370
Participant 6 (Guest)
Bye.
00:50:19.510 --> 00:50:19.890
Brione, Rebecca
Bye bye.